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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 24, 2009 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: hunter/Hornsby

Just curious what you all think of the Hunter tune on Hornsby's new album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrQtuQPU4w

Also, not sure if you saw Hornsby on Leno but he laid back and let Clapton go to town. And go to town he did.

http://www.ericclapton-online.com/streaming-media/space-is-a-place-bruce-hornsby-eric-clapton-on-the-jay-leno-show.html

This post was modified by lobster12 on 2009-09-25 00:37:58

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 25, 2009 2:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

nice song, love the lyric

Most of our years have flown away with nothing much decided
Except the board we′re playing on, how it′s to be divided
Will more years yet die alone? The question′s many-sided
Got no answers of my own and none have been provided

When I was a boy there was nothing to know
The wind followed me wherever I′d go
Rain came down where I made my stand
And the cyclone rose with a wave of my hand

There is a game that′s only played in a darkened room with strangers
Dealt down and dirty with unmarked cards eyes closed to dangers
Jealousy folds without playing its hold card, romance raises grinning
I spent several lifetimes there where I could not lose for winning

When I was a boy there was love for free
Glad to be given and received by me
Rain came down where I made my stand
And the cyclone rose with a wave of my hand

I believe I can still make the cyclone rise
Just can′t see it so well, with my fading eyes

A mystery to myself not everything now I was born to be
All I know is when I wanted it so, the wind itself rose for me

You know, if it wasn′t for love
I might just be a wandering man
But believe I′ve made the better choice
To sing about it with this band

When I was a boy, I could summon the moon
With a crook of the finger and a home-made tune
I could ride the clouds when they sailed on by
And sing all the words to a wildcat′s cry

When I was a boy there was nothing to know
The wind followed me wherever I′d go
Rain came down where I made my stand
And the cyclone rose with a wave of my hand

I believe I can still make the cyclone rise
And the cyclone rose
Wave of my hand
Rain came down where I made my stand

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 25, 2009 3:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Honestly I didn't like it at all, and I'm generally a big Hornsby fan. I get the impression that Cyclone might not have been written with music in mind. Some of these lyrics just sound horribly difficult to work with and this certainly isn't one of Hornsby's better compositions. Forgettable really.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 25, 2009 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Hunter is really slipping. Not written with music in mind? How about not written with anything but a Hallmark card in mind! That is a hobbibly pedestrian attempt even for cute-cuddly ambient style wording. Extremely poor imagery - very weak metaphor (cyclone) - granted i have only read it over twice, but that reads like lyrics from a two-bit wannabee midwestern tavern band.

ugggh

i am very disappointed in Hunter (as if youcould not tell)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 25, 2009 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Well it doesn't happen often, but I can't say your wrong, my friend!

"There is a game that′s only played in a darkened room with strangers
Dealt down and dirty with unmarked cards eyes closed to dangers"

Has just got to be one of the clunkiest song lyrics ever. Put's me in mind of the Harrison Ford story where he was commenting on George Lucas's dialogue:

You can write this shit, but you sure can't say (or in this case sing) it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 25, 2009 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

i am trying to give him props by seeing if he could atleast stay in iambic hexameter or heptameter, but it is really clunky either which way - stress pattern is horrific :)

(then again, it aint poetry or even poetic lyrics for that matter)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 25, 2009 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

I can't check the links right now, but if the words above are the lyrics under discussion, you certainly have a point, Rob! I couldn't imagine singing those...

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Sep 25, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Youtube is blocked and can’t access the clip on the other link but googled the following here and there.

MR: Then after the fun and games, "Cyclone" gets more philosophical, especially with lines like, "I've got no answers of my own, and none have been provided."
BH: You know those are Robert Hunter's lyrics with a couple of additions from me.
MR: And the chorus sounds a little influenced by The Band.
BH: I love Levon, I performed at his Midnight Ramble last Fall up in Woodstock. He's an old friend, and Robbie Robertson and I wrote a song together for his record Storyville in '92. Those guys are old friends of mine, and obviously, I love The Band. I totally hear it too, I can totally hear it as being "Band-ish."

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ragogna/huffpost-exclusives-rem-a_b_285423.html

"Cyclone"
Well, I've always loved [Grateful Dead lyricist and "Cyclone" scribe Robert Hunter's] writing. I've loved so many of the [Jerry] Garcia/Hunter songs — they're just timeless sounding to me, could have been written hundreds of years ago. I had this song that had the same feeling as, say, "Brokedown Palace."
It's always been in the air, the possibility of working with Hunter. He said, "Yes, send me the track." In this case he wanted to write to a track. We cut the track and scatted the melody on the track. Two weeks later, he sent back these lyrics syllable-by-syllable to my melody. It hit me right away. I got chills singing it, and chills reading it. Didn't even see him — he was never in the same room.

Read more at: http://www.expressnightout.com/content/2009/09/bruce-hornsby-levitate.php

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Sep 25, 2009 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Well now, here's another good companion who doesn't show up often enough. Heavy workload keeping you away still, Alan?

Having read those Hornsby interviews I stand corrected as to the writing process of Cyclone - but I'm still going to stick with my initial impression, which is that neither of these most respected gentlemen were at the top of their game on this collaboration.

Don't be a stranger, Mr Hungar!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 25, 2009 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Like most new material I think it needs time to sink in. Right now I'm not overwhelmed with it. Maybe that will change, who knows. As for the Clapton tune, I think musically it's really funky and I like it. Lyrically and vocally I'm not into it. Again maybe time will tell.

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 25, 2009 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Must say that although I surely like your company, you all are a finicky bunch.
Robert Hunter is the man with the pen and hard as I try now to dislike this lyric, I can’t.
I make no case for Hornsby, but when I read RH there is an automatic connect with the supreme gift of phrasing that Jerry applied to all his works. My mind and heart may be tainted by exposure to Hunter/Garcia but these Cyclone words ring true for me.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Sep 25, 2009 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Thanks, Rob. Strict regime in the office these days. Internet activity must be work related. Friday afternoon's about the only time I get to poke my head in the forum cos the commissar goes home early!
Good to see you and the lads are still on quality control!

Must give the album a listen and mull over Hunter's lyric before I can venture an opinion. 'The Black Rats of London' sounds inviting though!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 25, 2009 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

I agree. Black rats is the best cut I heard so far. And yes forumites it features the dreaded ----- squeeze box. I also think the tune works well live

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Poster: patourkid Date: Sep 25, 2009 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Man I was really diggin it as I was reading the lyrics, I was also having a REALLY hard time thinking " how in the HELL could you put this to music?" Then I listened to it and realized.....oh....you can't. GREAT poetry to me and maybe it could eventually evolve into something better musically. But it sounded pretty contrived to me. I think the lyrics or whatever the hell you want to call it is great though. The basic premise strikes a deep nerve with me as Hunter stuff is often wont to do......I certainly remember days gone by when the raise of a hand seemed enough to rule my world.....and the wind was always at my back.......And even now as I am writing this the lyrics are stuck in my head. Maybe it'll grow on me.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 24, 2009 10:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Clapton doesn't look like he has aged any in the last 20 years. Deal with the Devil?

TOOTMO

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 24, 2009 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

Nice of Mr Leno to let me know he changed his time slot....

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 25, 2009 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

if his show lasts more than six months, i will eat cat litter. reviews have been horrible. one nite a week i can see - 5 nites??!! - at a 10pm time slot?? - Leno is delusional

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 27, 2009 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

I know this is an aged thread but just noticed your response and am curious if that's new or used kitty litter? Your a riot!LoL

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 27, 2009 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: hunter/Hornsby

oh, it is most assuredly used! otherwise my gamble wouldn't have much at stake. (although i cannot imagine clean litter being overly gastrointestinally pleasant either)


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